To Morals wrote on Jul 21, 2008 12:46 PM:
" So, wouldn't a 1 or 2 week little baby also go to heaven, like the baby killed by its mother as reported in the LaCrosse Tribune? You want limits put on that womans choice-she didn't want to go the rest of her life caring for that child. So you also have your own little box. "
Morals wrote on Jul 17, 2008 6:58 AM:
" Why is MY opinion out of whack. Sometimes abortion is necessary outside of your little box. And why is it some can not reproduce and other's that shouldn't be able to, do so. I believe the fetus would go to heaven then if it was aborted whether naturally, chemically or manually. This is a choice that a woman can have. Maybe their is something wrong and they don't want to commit to the rest of their life caring for a disabled child. Who are you to say that the quality of life is better. The woman should have the right with informed decisions of pro's and con's but ultimately her choice should be done within a controlled environment, rather than a coat hanger. "
To Re Wild Guess wrote on Jul 16, 2008 9:01 AM:
" I agree with you about the parents that refused medical care. Regarding your other point, your morals are out of whack. You are saying it is ok to kill a baby because it isn't viable? "
Re Wild Guess wrote on Jul 15, 2008 6:17 PM:
" My guess is because the baby was VIABLE, born alive. It isn't any different then the family that used prayer on their diabetic daughter instead of seeking medical advise. That was uncalled for but "supported" by their religion. That's pathetic, using religion to "cure" a sick child without any medical intervention. "
Wild Guess wrote on Jul 14, 2008 3:32 PM:
" Most of the pro-choice people on this blog defending a womans right to choose are the same ones condemning the woman in todays La Crosse Tribune who killed her baby. Everyone does want some limits put on our choices. You people justify killing based on the location of the baby. Pathetic. "
To God didnt.... wrote on Jul 14, 2008 9:31 AM:
" You are asking us to believe that these dudes somehow pulled off the greatest hoax in the history of mankind. It takes more "faith" to believe that then it does to believe what I and most educated people in this country believe. Therefore, I am going to have to go ahead and disagree with you. The Bible is indeed God's Word. "
Re Disgusted wrote on Jul 14, 2008 7:54 AM:
" You made some very good points. That is the way it should be. Unfortunately in today's society with an over 50% divorce rate, the lawyer's are raking in big dollars, the families lose. More and more woman are thinking on the same level as men. Woman are gaining power and we should have a say about our bodies. Why should we let men get away with molesting child or woman for that fact. Even in the confinds of "religion". Or, why should men be allowed more than one wife?? Even if it is "spiritual" in nature. "
Still waiting Chris wrote on Jul 13, 2008 6:51 PM:
" C'mon Chris. Stil working on your response. Not everything in life fits in a neat little box does it. "
Disgusted wrote on Jul 12, 2008 11:46 AM:
" I can't believe that anyone could say birth control is wrong. Within my marriage, I can either use some form of birth control, or procreate on a regular basis. I would not have an abortion if I were to get pregnant, but at 16 when I was raped, I may have. I can not believe anyone would think it is better to keep on having children, and raising them in a home that didn't have enough money to take care of them the way you should. I can not believe that anyone would believe a husband and wife should not have intercourse anymore once they are done having children, that is not a logical thought. I think 1/2 the people on this conversation need to get a grip on reality, I am a christian, but I am a HUMAN too and will take necessary precautions to keep my family happy. Which includes my children kept in a good lifestyle, and my husband who I promise would not agree with abstinance at 35 years old. "
Re Amen Ralph Chris et al wrote on Jul 12, 2008 5:57 AM:
" Where in the bible does it say that you can not use birth control. Could you imagine this world without it?? Can you say "China"....maybe they should have manditory sterilization of men once they produce 2 children and limit families to 2 children and single mother's be done after one. Teen pregnancy is on the rise if you watch the news and also another baby was discarded in a grocery bag down in Florida, which is a safe haven state and the baby was found just 0.2 miles from the fire house which is a safe haven. Thank God the child is alive and someone heard it crying.
And yes, Ralph does say that he has been "told". The bible can be misconstrued just about anyway you would want. That's where some of the false prophets come into play. They believe that their interpretation is the correct one because "God told them so". Don't make such ridiculous statements and you won't be made fun of. "
REAmen Ralph Chris et al wrote on Jul 12, 2008 5:44 AM:
" Nope, you are wrong. Go back and read the article. "
Pro Choice Woman wrote on Jul 11, 2008 10:46 PM:
" Joycelyn Elders:
"We really need to get over this love affair with the fetus and start worrying about children."
How many anti-choicers are doing this? Seems to me they are just trying to lay down laws on women rather than getting involved and doing the work that actually does make the world go round. "
Re Chris King wrote on Jul 11, 2008 9:20 PM:
" He won't address it because he did not know. I'm sure he is digging for the answer. See where the hypocricy comes in?? Then religious people with that belief should not join the military or be police officer's. You see, it isn't black/white like you say. "
God didnt write the bible wrote on Jul 11, 2008 9:18 PM:
" It was written by a bunch of dudes who wanted you to believe, as they did, that there's an invisible man in the sky who is always watching over you and judging everything you do. These dudes suggested that if you don't believe in another guy, who claimed to be the son of God, you will burn in hell.
Then, after they wrote it, several other groups of people debated which parts of the book to include, and which to leave out, based on their opinion at the time. That's still going on today, as many churches who believe in the same god, and the same book, can't agree with what the book says. Chris King says the book says one thing because he says so. Some other person says the book says something else because they say so.
A religious conversation is a waste of breath unless it's between two people to totally agree. And in that case, it's just the two of them agreeing how smart they both are, and how stupid everyone else is. "
Re Chris King wrote on Jul 11, 2008 3:40 PM:
" One way the birth control pill works, which you approve of, is to deny implantaion of the fertalized egg in the uterus. You try to avoid commenting on that because you don't have a good answer for that issue. This question was posed to you earlier in the blog, but you failed to answer it. "
Amen Ralph Chris et al wrote on Jul 11, 2008 3:26 PM:
" Mr. Lang is not "hearing" voices, he is reading his Bible, which is what God uses to speak to us. It's that simple. To those who make fun of Mr. Lang for doing so ... well, your words speak for themselves. "
to religon wrote on Jul 11, 2008 2:25 PM:
" Well, what makes you think we want to hear about YOUR opinion? "
Chris King wrote on Jul 11, 2008 2:02 PM:
" Re: pro choice woman...there are all kinds of laws preventing people from damaging themselves, their bodies, or others. It is far from being a new concept. Suicide or self-harm and drug use are two of the most predominant examples. Both are illegal, yet they only pertain to the individual harming themselves.
The whole idea that abortion is a privacy issue is a false dichotomy established by the Supreme Court's felonious misinterpretation of the constitution and the 14th amendment.
Why is it that abortionist applaud the 14th amendment when it comes to a "right to abortion," yet ignore the amendments call for equal protection under the law in attempts to create a special legal status for homosexuals and minorities?
You can claim all the "legal rights" that you want, when it comes to abortion. However, it does not hide the fact that abortion is the fruit of the progressive movement to control minority population growth and an amazingly horrifying perversion of what human rights are truly about! "
TO Pro Choice Woman wrote on Jul 11, 2008 1:06 PM:
" If you have no problem with getting pregnant and deciding that, for whatever reason, a child would not fit into your life plan at the time, so you take the life of that child by what is medically termed "abortion", then it sounds to me that maybe more than laws need to be kept off your body. One needs to be responsible enough to be aware of and face the consequences that come with sex before it ever comes down to deciding what to do with an "unwanted" child. You have a say over what goes on with your body, but why do you feel you have the say over whether or not to take the life of your unborn child's body? And tell me this - why is it legal for a so-called mother to take the life of her unborn child, yet the person who murders a pregnant woman is charged with double homicide?? How does that work?? "
Pro Choice Woman wrote on Jul 11, 2008 7:41 AM:
" I have to laugh when I see men (or anyone for that matter) thinking for one minute even that they may have a say over what goes on with my body...my body, my choice. Keep your laws off my body! "
co-exist wrote on Jul 10, 2008 7:56 PM:
" Thank you to those who replied on July 10th. I appreciate your input and can agree with much of what you said. I try to imagine myself in the situations, so that I can have a better understanding and empathy. I agree with you (6:14 am). "
religon wrote on Jul 10, 2008 7:44 PM:
" there is no god. there is only the choices that people make for themselves. if you don't agree with something, that's your right, but what makes you think i want to hear about it?. this is no different than reading an article in the paper or watching a program on tv. you have an option. watch or read it if you like, or turn the page and change the channel if you don't. life and the choices we have are really very simple if we all would learn to mind our own business. like i was told growing up "if you haven't anything good to say, don't say anything" and that holds especially true if it doesn't directly affect you and the way you care to live your life. "
To six fourteen am wrote on Jul 10, 2008 2:34 PM:
" I understand that laws are made to protect us from each other. Abortion is a human rights violation. Therefore, my position is that we need laws to protect these babies from those that would harm them. "
To Co exist wrote on Jul 10, 2008 2:30 PM:
" I never said all pro choice people "believe in abortion". Everyone "believes in abortion". Abortion does exist-not "believing" in it would not change anything. Pro choice people believe women should be able to make the choice whether to kill their baby or not. I get the idea that, even though they wouldn't personally make that choice, they believe other women should have that right. I was simply pointing out the flaw in that logic. That is like me saying that I personally would never rape someone or steal from someone, but that I have no right to infringe on the rights of other people to do so. Savvy? "
To To co-exist wrote on Jul 10, 2008 6:14 AM:
" Law's are made to protect us from each other. It is murder when these young woman do not seek medical attention or drop their babies off at a hospital or safe haven, but dispose of them like trash, but if you seek why it is usually connected to their background and religious upbringing. I would prefer they seek an abortion than do that, and I prefer it done safely rather than a coat hanger....and not cast judgement on those that chose that method when it is unwanted. It would be ideal to give them all up for adoption but that is also a very difficult decision. Unless you were an "unwanted" child, even adopted, you have no idea. "
To eleven thirtyeight wrote on Jul 10, 2008 5:39 AM:
" Pro choice is just that. It's the woman's body whether for health reason's OR unwanted. Abortions are done for many reason's, and most are not for "convenience". It's a choice they live with every day. Maybe they don't want children because of a hereditary defect?? Such as Huntington's. You are being just too judgemental. It has to do with the civil rights of the person who is pregnant and before the fetus is viable, or the tubal pregnancy that threatens the woman's life?? It is NOT as black and white as you believe. "
co-exist wrote on Jul 9, 2008 10:37 PM:
" Try not to lump us all into your steroetypes. Not all pro choicers believe in abortion. I personally hope that options can be provided and taken that will spare the life of the unborn child. However, I will never vote for anyone who takes away my freedom of choice when it comes to my own body. Suppose hypothetically, since apporximately 95% of all sexual offenders are men, government passed a law that states manditory castration of all convicted sex offenders. What do you think of taking away your choice? (I am only talking choice here, not a human life, so don't get your tighty whities all in a bunch) "
once again wrote on Jul 9, 2008 12:07 PM:
" Another fanatic religous post and the fanatic responses expose what a starge place Monroe county has become.The Taliban christians are a big threat to us all. "
to four o nine pm wrote on Jul 9, 2008 11:38 AM:
" Pro choice people favor abortion on demand. This is a human rights violation that a civilized society should rectify. "
To co-exist wrote on Jul 9, 2008 11:36 AM:
" Are you suggesting no laws whatsoever? Every single one of our laws is a judgment on behavior. "
Re To Chris King wrote on Jul 9, 2008 9:05 AM:
" I would prefer as a woman that MEN take birth control pills....the side effects of the pill can be dangerous and hazardous to our health, so you guy's take it!! Or keep it in your pants!! "
To A Christian wrote on Jul 9, 2008 5:42 AM:
" What's your answer to all this. People should be arrested for infidelity and imprisoned?? I like that idea....maybe that would force these men to be faithful. "
God told me wrote on Jul 8, 2008 10:45 PM:
" God told me that man shall not judge another -- especially a man trying to state opinions on women's issues. He also wonders why this letter writer from Marshfield is being published in a Tomah paper? Let's keep our letters local, enough of the nut-cases from Marshfield, Ontario, etc. If you don't have enough local in-put, then skip it -- no loss there! "
co-exist wrote on Jul 8, 2008 4:48 PM:
" Wow, I thought Christianity was about compassion and acceptance....not judgement. What give you the right???
Can you spell FANATIC!!!! "
re christian wrote on Jul 8, 2008 4:09 PM:
" Its interesting that there are probably as many partial birth abortions as rape abortions. The pro-life people do the same thing saying these terrible partial births take place all the time. When mostly 99% of all abortions are done pre second term and is the size of your finger nail. Under your christian beliefs my wife would be dead instead of having a blob of matter that was not even discernable lodged in her phellopian tube ready to explode and have her bleed to death. This was considered an abortion under your thinking. You can keep putting up your partial birth argument and pictures but dont think for one second your above the Pro-choice people on this subject. "
to A Christian wrote on Jul 8, 2008 2:14 PM:
" That all sounds good unitl it's your daughter is the one that was raped, and tells you they don't want to carry that man's offspring. "
To Re to secular wrote on Jul 8, 2008 11:51 AM:
" Yes, "murder" is very broad. So is rape. Are you okay with allowing these things in society because, after all, we shouldn't be judged by man, but rather by God? "
A Christian wrote on Jul 8, 2008 9:20 AM:
" You know, we always hear the argument about a girl who gets rapped. Should she be "forced" to carry the baby and give it up. It's not fair. When, in fact, very few abortions are performed due to rape. Most are done because either the baby is "inconvenient" or she doesn't want to get caught. And if rape really is the issue, how does that explain the barbaric partial birth abortion? No, we cannot divide this world into democrat or republican, or white and black. But when are we going to understand that right is right and wrong is wrong? There is no "gray area". And why can't we base it on the Bible? Our country was founded on its principles. The Bible has survived for years. It has the only standard for right and wrong. I'm not talking about religion, I'm talking about a standard. If we practiced abstinence and marital fidelity, abortion would not be an issue. Nor would we be dealing with STDs, kids without fathers, and single-by-choice mothers. We would be surprised how our society would improve. Our founding fathers understood this. THAT is why America has been a great nation. Because she was founded on God. Now that she is rejecting God, she is faltering. Sin is now a "disease" or "alternative life-style" and what is right is considered "radical" and "narrow-minded". The murder of unborn babies is considered "a right", but killing a dog or cat can land you in jail. Since when are animals created in the image of God? That precious baby was. "
To Chris King wrote on Jul 8, 2008 8:47 AM:
" Birth control does not prevent ovulation. It creates a hostile enviroment for the fertilized egg. Conception control, on the other hand, prevents the egg from releasing. Many people are confused about this. Although I personally am not in favor of birth control vs conception control, I would that our ladies use birth control vs. abortion. "
To Chris King wrote on Jul 8, 2008 6:19 AM:
" All them eggs are potential human beings.... "
Re To Secular wrote on Jul 8, 2008 6:06 AM:
" So, now you are saying you are not human if you are pro-choice?? Tell ya what. You believe what you want, even Mr. Lang and his hearing voices, are you one of his follower's?? Remember, beware of false prophets!! And anyone claiming to actually get directions from above be even more weary of. God answer's prayers but in his OWN time, and he does not talk to people, people talk to him. Also, no matter what the law of the land is, these "children" go to heaven, the individual that makes the decision to abort for whatever reason is the one that has to be judged by God, not by man. Why not make it a safe alternative?? As far as murder, well, that is a VERY broad statement.... "
Re Chris King wrote on Jul 8, 2008 12:54 AM:
" The birth control pill greatly reduces the chance of ovulation. In this case fertilization cannot occur as there is no egg present. However, the pill also causes a thickening of the uterus, impeding implantation of the the fertilized egg should the woman ovulate. So Chris, are you ok with the second scenerio. Difficult to be so judgemental when you cant put it in your neat little box, isn't it. You mention that issues are usually black/white. You may be right, but if you don't really look at all the possibilities, it's wise not to make blanket statements like you always do. "
RE Ralph wrote on Jul 7, 2008 6:18 PM:
" I'm just curious on how you know it's God talking to you Ralph?
Not that your the first that has claimed to hear his voice, but I like to make sure of the source of the voices.
My folks often told me that a person's conscience is God's way of talking to people. Is this the case? Or have the voices occurred in some other manner?
Any chance that you've gotten a visual with the voices? Have there been any witnesses to the discussions? Or, has he just chosen you to carry this message?
Please provide some confirmation so that I will know what you profess is the truth. "
Chris King wrote on Jul 7, 2008 5:02 PM:
" It is my understanding that most birth control pills work by preventing ovulation. Therefore, it does not harm any living beings.
As for whether issues are black or white...more often than not, they are. There is right and there is wrong, and the vast majority of the time it is quite easy to discern the difference! "
To pro choice woman wrote on Jul 7, 2008 4:34 PM:
" And if you are against rape and stealing, I will promise to never attempt to force you to rape someone or steal from someone. But, you must respect my right to choose to do so. "
re Chris King wrote on Jul 7, 2008 2:25 PM:
" Wait a minute Chris. According to Mr. Lang, you're going to hell. The birth contol pill, which you approve of, kills the fetus after conception. Who's correct? Mr. Lang, you, or someone elses view. It's a slippery slope isn't it. "
To secular wrote on Jul 7, 2008 12:53 PM:
" Well, my Bible tells me murder and stealing are wrong, so I guess we should just do away with those laws also? No one is saying you are required to follow the Bible. But at least try to be human. "
Pro Choice Woman wrote on Jul 7, 2008 12:38 PM:
" I would like to let Ralph and any other men who are against abortion to know that if they truly are against abortion, then I will never attempt to force them to have one. "
To Mr. Lang wrote on Jul 7, 2008 11:48 AM:
" How do you know that God never approved birth control, let me guess......you were "told" by God and heaven. Seem's you are more blessed than the rest of us simpleton's as God talks to you directly. "
Re Chris King wrote on Jul 7, 2008 11:36 AM:
" The world cannot be reduced to black or white/ Republican or Democrat/ right or wrong for every single issue. Those who fail to recognize this or who cannot accept it make ridiculous comments like yours. "
To A Christian wrote on Jul 7, 2008 11:36 AM:
" It would not have mattered had my mother had an abortion. I would have never have known the difference. I can say as an illegitamate child that an abortion would have been beneficial to my mother rather than have to put up with all the crap she did all them years. That being said, my step mother calls her self a christian but doesn't allow my father to see me or his grandchildren or great grandchildren. He missed out on a lot but that's okay, it was his choice and as my father, I honor that decision. Is it right?? Not in my book but then his wife is a self claiming christian who attends church but noone knows her "dirty little secrets". Taking birth control is "abortion" chemically so you approve of that?? You approve of a young child raped and having to bear a child because of an idiot taking advantage of her then telling her to "give it up". I would say it is a personal choice. There are many children already out there that need a loving family. Most people seeking adoption want the baby right from the hospital. They don't want them when they are older. I don't believe it should be a method of "birth control" but do believe that it is right that should be available for certain circumstances but then where do you draw the line?? You can't have your cake and eat it to. We all have to answer to God individually, not as a "group". No one can save you, you have to save yourself. "
Chris King wrote on Jul 7, 2008 9:34 AM:
" I agree with Mr. Lang on most points. However, I have to disagree with the stance on birth control. Granted, birth control used as a license to ho it up with as many partners as possible is wrong. However, within the context of a marriage, it is entirely appropriate. "
To six o eight am wrote on Jul 7, 2008 8:50 AM:
" No, what the poster is saying is that opposing abortion should have nothing to do with a belief in God. It is a human rights violation, just like rape, stealing, etc. "
A Christian wrote on Jul 6, 2008 9:53 PM:
" I would like to know how someone can claim that they believe in God and be a Christian and still support the blatant murder of innocent children. When I was pregnant with our 1 and only child, the ASPCA continually called me for support. I do not oppose the protection of animals, but my response to them was, "When my unborn baby has more rights than my cat, we'll talk. Until then, no dice!" At that time, I could "legally" kill my innocent baby but go to jail for killing my cat. Can't anyone see what is wrong with that picture? If a woman does not want to have a baby, there are plenty of ways to prevent it from happening. Why does the baby have to suffer because they are "unwanted"? There is no such thing as an "unwanted child". Some one else wants it. There are couples praying, crying, pleading with God for a baby. Let them have these babies that no one else wants. When a woman is pregnant, that baby is NOT part of her body that she has the right to kill. That is a separate human being depending on their mother to protect and care for them. What if your mother had chosen to abort you? Think about that!!! "
ReRalph wrote on Jul 6, 2008 5:28 PM:
" I have been told by god to figt against fanatics like you. "
Happy to be secular wrote on Jul 6, 2008 10:32 AM:
" Your Bible means nothing to me, Ralph. Get off of your holier than thou rump. "
Liberal wrote on Jul 6, 2008 6:19 AM:
" Ralph, I quote you, "I have been told to fight against abortion, by heaven and God." Are you hearing voices?? Do people from heaven talk to you about such issues?? I would be interested in other issues you discuss with above, after all, I guess if you are getting instructions we should all listen. "
To Good Letter wrote on Jul 6, 2008 6:08 AM:
" If you agree with abortion, you can't believe in "God", is that what you are saying?? You can't be a christian and support abortion, a safe alternative?? Is one condemned to hell for allowing a person to make their own decision about their body??? "
Re Good Letter wrote on Jul 6, 2008 5:59 AM:
" Let's not forget about the rising cost of fuel and the "global warming theory" as many elderly will not be able to heat their homes so they will die....living on a fixed income that is set so low that it is hard enough that they can't make ends meet. You work your life to pay taxes, etc and know with the rising heat cost where does that put our elderly??? I don't call "freezing to death" exactly humane either. "
Re Sweet article wrote on Jul 6, 2008 5:53 AM:
" You are right!! Amen, but they don't see the difference. Let's let the men have as many wives as they want, no birth control so children all over and let the government support them. After all, it is much cheaper that way then to let the person make their OWN decision about what is right for them....like that will "save" that person by not allowing them a choice. Please, get off your soap box. Woman will seek this option outside the box. Also in Wisconsin, it is illegal to live together without being married. See that being enforced??
We need to worry more about the children that are born addicted to drugs, fetal alcohol syndrom, HIV/AIDS, hunger, etc. Let's not focus on just parts of the bible taken out of context. "Thou shall not murder" is a broad statement, so don't just say it is about abortion.
We are over taxed already by many 501(C)'s including religion. I read no where in the bible that you have to pay money to certain special interest groups against your will to get to heaven. Or that we can not eat meat or slaughter animals for food, that we need to shelter the animals from slaughter, etc. Get the drift?? I do know the adult version of Adam & Eve vs the "apple", kinda like the "birds and the bee's"?? Yet some things are excepted. Also the 7 deadly sins....look around and you will see many that could fall in any one of those "catagories", even in church. "
Sweet article wrote on Jul 5, 2008 10:31 AM:
" Amen Ralph, Chris King and Lazarus! Now let's go kill 500,000 Iraqis. And let's be sure to not say a word when millions of innocent people are slaughtered in Africa, Kosovo and East Timor. And don't forget to flush all those frozen embryos down the toilet after IVF. God's work will be done! "
Chris King wrote on Jul 3, 2008 12:18 PM:
" Nice Mr. Lang! Now, let's hear what those "tolerant" liberals have to say about your opinion and your right to express it. "
Good Letter wrote on Jul 3, 2008 9:58 AM:
" I would take it a step further and say that even those who lack a belief in God should oppose abortion, simply due to the fact that it is a human rights violation. If we allow our most vulnerable members of society to be slaughtered, what does that say about us as a society? "
Lazarus wrote on Jul 3, 2008 8:11 AM:
" I have only one thing to say to that, Ralph...
Amen! "
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