Kenneth W Krause wrote on Jun 17, 2008 10:56 AM:
" I was under the impression that the teacher was fine with the project until a couple other students "complained". The teacher then dug out the policy and attempted to enforce it, stating his project "violated the rights of other students". Is this not correct? If correct, this would refute the assertions that the student didn't "follow the directions of the assignment". "
To four fifty eight pm wrote on Jun 16, 2008 4:02 PM:
" You can believe whatever you want regarding the Muslim charter school. If this school is taxpayer funded, would that be acceptable or not? "
To hmmmm wrote on Jun 16, 2008 10:31 AM:
" See 6/12 9:49am post. Why are you so resistant to answering that question? Also, the school would not have had to seek legal advice if they didn't have a policy that singled out religious expression. So, you have the school to thank for that. Finally, you seem very bigoted towards Christians. What evidence do you have that I would have a fit regarding any other types of religious expression? That is what I meant by written flatulence: You post a lot of words, but say nothing of substance. "
Hmm wrote on Jun 13, 2008 4:58 PM:
" If that is your complaint is about the Muslim school, which I don't believe you entirely as it being "public" or "tax funded".
They already tried to get pray in a public school and took it to the Supreme Court, a moment of silence for all and THAT was denied. I do not like to pay taxes on many things. I have stated my opinion that I think this was all based on lies and assumptions. Just because it was a small town, as you would not have gotten away with your little stunt in a big city. I still believe kids need to follow directions and have respect for adults. I just find this kind of behavior outragous and a waste of tax payers money. Yes, it did cost the tax payer's money for your little stunt, it may not have cost you up front but just the school having to seek legal advice cost money. Thanks for that.
It just confirms to me that "Christian's" can lie and they think that is OK. That is exactly what organized religion's do best. You can have your opinion of me as dense, savvy flatulence or whatever, I would expect those things from a "christian", better then everyone else. Going to church does not make any one more of a Christian than sitting in a plane makes you a pilot. Just like you have turned this into a "Muslim" school after you made an uproar about art. I called you out and now you want to discuss world politics. Any one with common sense knows you lied about the situation and hurt feelings, now you just want it to go away. You are the same type of christian that would have a fit about any other religous drawing in school besides Christian. Otherwise you would have used examples from the same class. How was the school to respond to the message that was delivered??? You people are dangerous to society in general. I won't judge you, that's up to God, but I don't have to believe you either when all the facts are presented whether the policy was actually violating his "religous rights". Seems they were pretty lenient with that but you just HAD to take it one step further. Thus you got the policy removed, celebrate your defeat!! "
To To Mr Krause wrote on Jun 13, 2008 11:32 AM:
" The original policy(the one changed) specifically singled out religious expression as not being permissible. According to the teacher and the policy, the religious nature of the words is what was inappropriate, not the fact that there were, in fact, words. "
Izzy Fabin wrote on Jun 13, 2008 9:48 AM:
" "Forced Prayer" and "Hmmm" must be the same person, because there is no way TWO different people could be this dense. The issue isn't whether a particular Christian school or a particular Muslim school charges tuition. That would be up to the school administrators. The issue is, should neither one of them or both of them be supported by taxpayer funds? If you say yes to one and no to the other, you are the one being discriminatory and intolerant. "
Kenneth W Krause to hmmm wrote on Jun 13, 2008 9:42 AM:
" How is the poster being intolerant? By suggesting the rules should be the same for everyone? It seems to me it is you who are intolerant, proposing 2 different sets of rules. The question asked in yesterdays 9:49am post is very straightforward and simple. Why not answer it? "
To hmmm wrote on Jun 13, 2008 9:36 AM:
" You just don't get it. I don't care what you think as long as you are consistent. I support the rights of every student in every school(public or private) to freely express their religious beliefs without fear of reprisal. I also believe every church is entitled to tax-exempt status, provided they are non profit. And regarding forced prayer in any public school-as long as the rules are consistent, fine. If taxpayer funds can be used to support one type of religious school, then public funds should be used to support all types of religious schools. To say it is ok for one but not the other is hypocritical. "
To Mr. Krause wrote on Jun 13, 2008 6:22 AM:
" With all do respect, I do not agree with the religion part as being censored, however: my concern is how they portrayed this whole incident. Which in reality is lying. Most of their arguments are on assumptions. He could have done any religious landscape but a burning cross and floating scriptures?? Rules need to be followed when an assignment whether drawing or whatever, is that too hard?? And will these "Christian's" that wanted this changed, be happy in the long run?? Are they willing to see other religious view points?? Do they want world religions removed from the ciriculum?? They made all sorts of accusations but bottom line as you can see is the concern over the Muslim school in MN. Which I haven't seen anything on the news, nor have I heard this complaint anywhere else. I can't believe what these people interpret as right or wrong and what is true and what is a lie. I believe the young man was able to wear religious T-shirt, pray at lunch or whenever, and talk all the religion amongst his friends without reprecussion. But the art was blown WAY OUT OF PROPORTION!! Come on, there are many religious landscapes, old churches. The examples they used to "prove" their point were from different assignments yet they claim his was censored due to religion?? Or was it a rebelious, not following directions, floating scriptures really in landscapes??? Is that the best he could do?? Then to say well they would have graded it if it was a Dicken's quote, yet provide no example of art that had such a quote to prove their point. That was based on assumptions. All that to get a policy changed?? Kinda strange way to do it. Rather than get all the facts, have a school meeting or ask all the parents who have children in school, one group decided that they would get a "paid attorney" that they got for FREE to lie about the whole situation. I don't think I can believe their story on the Muslim school either. It's this kind of ignorance that cultivates cult like behavior. It's okay for THEM to use little white lies and turn a molehill into a mountain and hurt peoples feelings, but hey, mission accomplished, right?? "
Forced Prayer wrote on Jun 12, 2008 4:07 PM:
" If you are so upset over this Muslim school, why don't you tell the government you are unhappy about it. Just because the Christian religious schools charge a tuition fee has nothing to do with the Muslim school. You need to talk to the churches as they should allow any member to attend, not just the "rich" kids parents that can afford it. I would think they would be willing to help the families that can't afford to pay. Sounds like you are envious that this Muslim school is opening. Isn't that one of the 7 deadly sins?? I thought Christian's were caring people but I find more and more INTOLERANT so called Christians, that know it all. "
Hmm wrote on Jun 12, 2008 3:55 PM:
" So in reality this all had to do with a tax-payer funded school of Muslims and you are not happy about that. That is in Minnesota, not even here. So, because there is a Muslim school that has forced prayer, you want the same in public schools??? Religious schools are just that, based on religion. Public schools are for all people. Not having a policy keeps those things out of public schools. Interesting concept to put Tomah on the news over a religious drawing then condemn the Muslims. Next time you see assignments in a public school(ie: Tomah) then be prepared for those other religions besides Chistian's to put their verses from the Koran in public school too. So, stop complaining as your attorney's said you supported all religions, even the Muslims......because you also got the policy changed for them. Again, they have forced prayer's in religious schools, not public. Keep it that way. "
Kenneth W Krause to Symbols wrote on Jun 12, 2008 9:53 AM:
" I don't necessarily think kids should be able to do whatever they want, but I do believe their speech or expression should not be censored solely due to it being religious in nature. "
To Hmmmm wrote on Jun 12, 2008 9:49 AM:
" As long as you are consistent. All churches get tax breaks-not just Christian churches. If you are okay with a tax supported Muslim school that has forced prayer on Fridays, I assume you would also have no objection to a tax supported Christian school that has forced prayer on Fridays. Correct? "
Offended wrote on Jun 12, 2008 6:52 AM:
" I was offended by the burning cross. That is a symbol of horrific times when people were burned on the cross. Or crosses were burned on certain racial peoples property. The entire picture was in poor taste. JMO. "
Symbols wrote on Jun 12, 2008 6:45 AM:
" Yes, KIDS now have the right to put whatever they want.......that's why separation of church and government within a learning environment is necessary. I think the reason for "symobols" has to do with gang activity. Kids need restrictions and need to follow rules. Churches get many tax breaks, if you do not like the tuition perhaps the church should help those who can't afford it rather than just those that can. Common sense tells me that it was just fine. He wasn't denied to wear his T-shirt's (I guess other's can wear their beer ones or whatever now too) cause hey, kids shouldn't feel discriminated against. Let's just throw out the entire dress code because that is silly too. Kids should be able to do and wear what they want. SAVVY??? Flatulence!! "
Hmmm wrote on Jun 11, 2008 7:05 PM:
" You still didn't answer MY questions but I expected not. Mr. Krause, I wasn't referring to the cross what so ever. I have seen a similar landscape, but the cross wasn't burning and there was no floating scripture. Churches get all kinds of tax breaks, so the tax payer Muslim school is for Muslim's. They do live in this country, work and pay taxes, and are entitled to their belief. "
To Also wrote on Jun 11, 2008 2:28 PM:
" You seriously think we pay taxes to support Catholic schools? Your post is written flatulence. Where did you ever get an idea like that? The definition of a public school is a school supported by tax dollars. So, this Muslim charter school is indeed a public school. Catholic schools are private schools. That means they are not supported by tax dollars. savvy? "
Kenneth W Krause to Symbols wrote on Jun 11, 2008 12:12 PM:
" Yes, everyone pays taxes so everyone should be able to express their views. Agreed. The policy did not allow that, so it was changed. I didn't want the taxpayers to pay for anything. That was up to the Superintendant. And, he made the right choice. By the way, I have seen crosses in landscapes before, so that may have been a nice touch. "
To Right wrote on Jun 11, 2008 12:04 PM:
" So, you do things for money also, correct? What's your point? Of course people need to make a living. No one ever disputed that. I don't see you out there fighting for peoples rights for donations, so give them some credit. "
Also wrote on Jun 11, 2008 10:41 AM:
" Is this Muslim charter school a public school?? Or is it for Muslim children only. Are they forcing prayer on everyone in the school, even the Christians?? I doubt it, it's probably no different than a Catholic school, Lutheran school, etc. We all pay taxes on things we do not like, talk to the government then if you don't like any religion except Christian. Look up the 14th Ammendment for "rights". "
Symbols wrote on Jun 11, 2008 5:45 AM:
" It also did not allow religious symbols. Public school should be just that. So, you approve of other views besides Christians?? All I am saying that in a public school, to keep things "fair", even though the majority may be Christians as EVERYONE pays taxes. You never answered whether he was denied to wear his T-shirts or pray at lunch. Why did the attorney's show pictures taken from another assignment to prove his point. All we would have needed would have been to see that other's had floating verses, not assuming. But that's okay, you feel you win because you got HIM to change the policy, didn't cost you a dime but yet you wanted the taxpayers of your county to pay to fight over a stupid school policy that now is dropped. You made it into National News, based on assumptions. "
Right wrote on Jun 11, 2008 5:32 AM:
" They did all that for free publicity. Don't kid yourself, they don't do ANYTHING for free. They ARE paid whether through donations or whatever, no body lives for free. Believe what you want. you really need to find out about the world and just not little Tomah. "
To re to hmmm wrote on Jun 10, 2008 4:50 PM:
" The attorneys did not charge the student for their services. So, this is one law group that may have actually had a motivation besides money. Like justice. Peace. "
To six sixteen am wrote on Jun 10, 2008 12:12 PM:
" On one hand, you don't mind that Muslims can force students to pray in a public school. On the other hand, you claim Christians should keep their religion out of the schools. Clearly, you employ a double standard. Also, have you read the policy that was changed? The policy banned ONLY religious verses and references(not quotes from Dickens or the Presidents). This is why the policy was wrong and why it was changed. "
Re To hmmmm wrote on Jun 10, 2008 6:16 AM:
" Obviously YOU don't read well. I don't care about a Muslim school, I'm NOT Muslim. We pay for many things I disagree with. I don't attend organized religion either but doesn't mean I'm not a "Christian"...it's how you treat others, get along in society and helping people, even if it is just little things, I try to live by the 10 commandments. But, we live in America and people are supposed to be able to practice their own religion, within reason. These people are working and living and paying taxes here too. I've served over in the gulf and we need to embrass these people. Doesn't God expect us to try and maybe convert them rather than condemn them??Is that the answer you are wondering???
And as for the assignment, ah, my "gas" tells me that now, thanks to you, kids can make landscapes with floating verses. I expect kids to follow directions, period. Which then if everyone was putting floating verses from whatever, Dicken's, the president, it really doesn't matter, I've never seen a landscape with any verses from any book. True, art is an exception, but in a learning environment, even in art, one must follow directions. I did read also that he was given other options, to cover it up (floating verses). But him being a senior and leaving the school and not having to stay around to see just what a wonderful thing he did, how convenient. I'm not saying he is a bad kid and good for him that he is a Christian and was able to express his belief by T-shirts, etc. I don't think his Christianity was the question, or his love of God. It seems that assumptions become facts and that is just not right. Ever play telephone?? Everything gets distorted once media gets ahold of it.
Lawyer's make money, that's their job. They don't care if it comes from a Christian or an athiest. The group of attorney's that are for Christian's just chose that as their target to get money. Not any different than the ones that want your money to get you disability. They get paid a big chunk and you go hungry till the government gets around to getting you your money but the attorney is paid first. Not personal experience but just what I have seen from other's and the ads on TV. I just think that this was all blown way out of preportion, I've answered your question, actually several times. Is it any clearer????
Kids following directions and not disrupting a learning environment. Keep religion in perspective, especially your heart, your home and your church if you desire. The Christians have been having lots of problems lately, especially organized religion. As media advances people are only beginning to see these things that are going on, these so called "Christian's", can become "cult like". Any reason they call the midwest clinging to religion and guns??? "
Planet Stasiak wrote on Jun 9, 2008 11:36 AM:
" Why does "hmmm" keep avoiding the point that the teacher censoring the students project did so because of the religious reference? Simply not following directions may have earned him a lower grade. But, it was only censored due to the religious nature, which is clearly wrong. "
To hmmm wrote on Jun 9, 2008 9:51 AM:
" Your posts are written flatulence. All those words, and you never did give an answer to the 4:56pm post. I am asking what you think the teacher would have done in that situation, not what you would expect from the assignment. You also never stated whether you support forced muslim prayer in tax-payer funded schools. "
Hmm wrote on Jun 7, 2008 8:57 AM:
" My bones tell me that if the assignment was for a landscape I would expect a landscape, no floating verses whether Dicken's or any other author as the sky does not have "verses" floating in the sky. I would hope the teacher would have given him a zero in any situation for not following directions and none of this would have happened. If your arguments were on assumptions rather than facts, that's pretty lame. "
Hmmmmm wrote on Jun 7, 2008 7:39 AM:
" Tells me that their was no other "floating verses" in the sky. Again, you made it into religion. You didn't see your Alliance on Glenn Beck bragging about this??? Now, the other example was a child reading the bible during recess and was told he couldn't do that, I can see that as a lawsuit but your facade of this situation is totally different. Like I said, was he denied to wear his religious T-shirts?? Pray at lunch time??? Now, those would be supressing his "right", but, not following directions is totally different. Glenn's question too was will this school tolerate Muslim and other religions?? The answer was yes, by your group of attorney's stating a teacher has a budda and practices that religion. Was this also a farce??? I think they teach WORLD RELIGION's to educate kids on the different religions. Hey don't cut down the Muslim school as that is their religion and you got the policy changed, remember, it was changed for ALL RELIGIONs, not just the "Christian's" religion. Like I said, if you want your kid to have a religious schooling, send them to one of the many available OR homeschool them. I let Glenn know exactly how you feel about the Muslim school in MN, which isn't even in this state. You keep bring that up. Wait till they build one in Tomah. Yeah, you did the right thing to have the policy removed. I'm glad MY kids are grown and they won't be forced to go to a public school that allows any religious overtone. They survived the "policy", many have until now. Way to go!! "
To hmmm wrote on Jun 6, 2008 4:56 PM:
" I know we don't know for sure, but if someone HAD put a Dickens passage on their project, do you think the teacher would have posted it with the other projects, or attempted to censor it, like she did with this kids project? What do your bones tell you, honestly? "
To hmmmm wrote on Jun 6, 2008 10:26 AM:
" Religious schools teach religion as part of the curriculuum. Public schools don't. But, that doesn't mean kids are not allowed to express their religious views in public schools, whether it be in their art projects or otherwise. If the teacher thought he deserved a zero, she should have given him a zero. But to not post his project with the others was clearly wrong and served no legitimate purpose. Luckily, that policy was changed. Not sure what you are referring to by the Glenn Beck thing? Are you sure I responded? From what I gather from your post here, you seem to support forced muslim prayer in a taxpayer funded school? "
Hmmm wrote on Jun 6, 2008 6:31 AM:
" Don't know as they didn't show the other landscapes to know if they had "Dickens" quote floating in the landscape I hope they would have given that child a ZERO too as landscapes do NOT have floating verses, whether religious or otherwise. Seen your little blip on Glenn Beck. Are you sure you tolerate other religions??? Haven't you complained about the Muslim charter school in MN?? I did let Glenn know just what was up with all this. And, I hope other's from the area follow suit and get the REAL story out. So rules, directions are not to be followed as you can express your religion. I also want to know if the budda was in a religion of the world class or just a teacher that practices that religion, as that would be wrong too. Any how, buddism, muslim, witch craft, etc and christianity are now ALL allowed in school, way to go. Isn't that why they have religious schools?? So your kids can have a religious education if you so wish??? Tomah was an easy target, small town with many many problems. Was AP banned from wearing his religious shirts??? Was he banned from reading the bible if he wanted to during his lunch time??? Was he not allowed to pray before he ate his lunch??? Those are real arguments for christian rights, not following directions and being disrespectful was NOT a good teaching for a child who is going out into the REAL world. "
To Really wrote on Jun 4, 2008 4:08 PM:
" See 11:44am post. If he had written a passgae from a Dickens novel on his landscape, his project would have been posted with the others and graded accordingly. What do you not understand about this? "
To Sure Turn Your head wrote on Jun 4, 2008 8:44 AM:
" So, it was all lies? You mean his project wasn't censored due to religious content? Amazing. I think it is you who is lying. Ya think? "
Really wrote on Jun 3, 2008 10:34 PM:
" Is that what the other landscapes showed??? Floating verses, didn't see those comparison's??? The pictures used as examples were NOT from the same assignment, now if you would have compared that, yes, you would have an argument. But, you chose different pictures from different assignments to boost your support. Also, those that you used as YOUR idea of "demon's" had a lot more talent and detail then AP's picture anyway. Adults used a child for religious purposes for their agenda...that's the sad part in all this. End of story. "
To To To Wondering wrote on Jun 3, 2008 11:44 AM:
" Sorry, the facts don't support your position. Legal costs are irrelevant. If the policy was justified, the District would have been able to recover any legal costs. It wasn't justified, so they would have lost anyway, so it is a moot point. If the kid had put a passgae from a Dickens novel on his landscape, it would have been posted with the other projects and graded accordingly. We wouldn't be having this discussion. The teacher attempted to censor his project solely due to religious content. That is wrong, and the policy was changed. End of story. "
To To Wondering wrote on May 31, 2008 8:00 AM:
" The policy was changed because of legal costs. Even Mr. Fasbender said "still no floating verses" and they expect the children to "follow directions". Which AP COULD have chose to make any religious landscape he wanted such as an old church or a church with a sign saying "John 3:16" on the sign....but not floating verses, there is no landscape with floating scriptures, sorry. I guess the teacher got drug through the mud for being nice, she should have posted it with the other's and put a BIG ZERO and a note saying he did not follow directions, but obviously he had a "group" behind him urging him on. Now, if AP joined the military, he would NOT be able to display his religion on his UNIFORM...only on a chain around the neck or something in the pocket but not displayed unless he is a Chaplain, which is non-denominational. Is that considered wrong??? "
Sure turn your head wrote on May 30, 2008 8:02 PM:
" That's how the cults work, laws/rules don't apply to them such as incest, child abuse. The world is supposed to "accept" all this from so called Christian's?? They are LIES....you made it into National news, false at that, telling only PART of the story got you a whole lot of sympathy, any person with common sense knows that it was ALL based on lies by a zealest group of "Christians"??? Seen any floating verses in the sky lately??? I hope a group of another culture does move to your small town then we will SEE who the true Christians are. Beware of FALSE PROPHETS!! "
To Wondering wrote on May 30, 2008 3:04 PM:
" Believe what you want, I don't have to convince you of anything. But, there were no lies. No one disputes the policy existed. No one disputes that this student caused the policy to be changed. See the 10:44am post. There are many views out there. But it is only the Christian views that are censored. "
Interesting Theory wrote on May 30, 2008 2:37 PM:
" However; this school you mention is Muslim, if you pray to Alah, you can go to that school....why should they be denied their religion, I am sure all the "private" schools are recieving taxes too, so the moral of the story is.....if you don't like public schools, send your child to any of the RELIGIOUS schools available to them!! Don't pick on other religions as they have the same rights as Christians!!! Your logic has no merit!!! "
To Higher Power wrote on May 30, 2008 10:44 AM:
" I am calling you out. Not for one minute do I believe you are "moving a bunch of families of different faiths" to the community. That is a ridiculous statement, and is a big fat lie. As a side note , there is a taxpayer funded Muslim Charter School in Minnesota that has forced prayers on Friday. If any teachers in a public school forced Christian prayer on students, can you imagine the uproar? Do not tell me Christians aren't discriminated against. "
Wondering wrote on May 30, 2008 8:26 AM:
" Well, you haven't convinced me of anything. I still see it as a lie, but you got the policy changed ,remember that when other religions move into the area!! It won't just be the "Christian" view.....then YOU will want the policy back....still NO FLOATING VERSES IN THE SKY!!! You call it what you want. "
Higher Power wrote on May 29, 2008 6:12 PM:
" We will soon see the commentment to the practice of one's religious freedoms by those who claim to practice Christianity. I am moving several families of various faiths and differing religious cultural views to your communitiy.
We will soon see if Tomah's Christians are indeed being discriminated against or hindered from practicing thier religion. Talk to some Muslims in America how they were treated on September 12, 2001. American's who practiced their religious choice and hurt no one.
These same Christians condeme other believers of the Christian faith, merely for being a member of a different church. "
To Wondering wrote on May 29, 2008 5:01 PM:
" This wasn't based on lies. The policy itself was unjust. The whole point is the project wasn't posted due to the unjust policy of censoring material solely on the basis of it being religious. Would he have accepted a 0 if his project was graded and posted like everyone elses? I guess we will never know.The teacher never intended to give him a zero-she stated she would have "graded" the paper. Common sense tells me the "grade" would not have been a 0. "
To Stop Already wrote on May 29, 2008 3:09 PM:
" You stop. "
to Stop Already... wrote on May 29, 2008 11:55 AM:
" I don't think this story made National news. Thus the blogger's wonder. How such a small town with a policy in a public school got so much outrage from a small group of citizens based on LIES. "
Wondering wrote on May 29, 2008 11:44 AM:
" His point was to have the policy removed, it is noted and changed. Yes, the teacher SHOULD have handled it that way but THIS GROUP wanted it another way.......And would he have accepted it any other way??? He would have accepted a BIG ZERO and note not following directions??? Lying, disrespect, not following directions are what this is really about, YOU made it into religion.... "
STOP ALREADY wrote on May 29, 2008 11:32 AM:
" The last time I checked, this article was in regards to what happened in Necedah, yes religious based, but NECEDAH. Haven't y'all about talked the art project to death. Give it up & get a life. I only look at this every once & awhile, and to tell the truth, y'all need to get a life. What a bunch of rednecks.
Are you smarter than a Fifth Grader????????? "
To six fifty two pm wrote on May 29, 2008 8:38 AM:
" I agree with you. By attempting to censor his work simply because religion was mentioned, she was violating his rights. Posting his project with the others, and grading it, would have been the appropriate response, which was the students point all along. "
ToTo Two Fifty eight pm May wrote on May 29, 2008 6:52 AM:
" I guess your argument would have merit IF the assignment was done correctly. The teacher was being "kind" to the kid. Maybe she SHOULD have put it UP with the other's and gave him a zero and use it as an example of NOT following directions!! No floating scriptures in landscapes!! "
To Sigh wrote on May 28, 2008 5:29 PM:
" Guess it's because of AP's story and the white lies by the group of Christians from this area. Even was mentioned in the LaX paper about religion and Tomah just this weekend....it needs to be kept in it's proper place, church, home and your heart. So it probably will come up again and again.... "
To Re To Nine Thirty one wrote on May 28, 2008 3:27 PM:
" When did the poster ever say that these were not religions? What are you reading? Just because something exists, you aren't forced to accept it. "
Sigh..... wrote on May 28, 2008 2:18 PM:
" Are any of you people capable of staying on task? Since when did this news story have anything to do with what goes on in the various religious communities of Tomah? All any story has to do is barely MENTION the word religion and you all go off on your crazy tangents. SO old..... "
REFanatacism wrote on May 28, 2008 2:18 PM:
" What CULTS in TOMAH? where are they and who are they?
Are you talking about the Kool-Aid drinkers that praise the AL(i created the Internet)Gore creation of man made Global warming? The ones that worship at the alter of "GREEN"
Troublesome that these people following the Fanaticism of Al Gore are just about as dangerous as these other whacko's using Religion to do there Whacko things
For those of you spouting off about religion breeding outlaws that is not true.
The outlaws have found a way to use RELIGION to there favor, no-one with even half a brain can believe that these people are true Religious believers and especially not Christians. But it is these people that use Religion to commit crimes that get all the attention and the ones that despise religion always point to.
Those that point at these whacko's and say yeah that's religion for ya, could almost be classified themselves as those that follow cult leaders of opposing religion.
to confuse Religion with Fanaticism would make them just as fanatic as the ones being Fanatical "
ReTo nine thriry one wrote on May 28, 2008 9:42 AM:
" It is fine that you base YOUR faith on YOUR book. To claim that Hinduism or Islam or Buddhism or Zoprastiansim or the Jians etc are not religions because they are not mentioned in YOUR scripture is silly. "
hmmmm.... wrote on May 28, 2008 5:55 AM:
" is this about what happened in tomah?????? I thought this was suppose to be about what happened in Neceda. "
To Nine Thirty One AM wrote on May 27, 2008 3:23 PM:
" Who says its all or none? That is a ridiculous statement. I have every right to accept one, based on Biblical doctrine, and reject the others that conflict with my belief. "
ReMy problem wrote on May 27, 2008 11:37 AM:
" Your problem is you are foolish.Those religions are not founded on the bible. That is not their scripture. Check Hindu scriptures (the Upanishads) to see if there is any reference to christianity. "
RE To My Problem wrote on May 27, 2008 9:31 AM:
" There is no biblical foundation for Hinduism, Buddhism, or any of the other Far Eastern regional religions. Does that mean that you can ignore the 25% of the world's population that believe in those religions?
You can't have it both ways. It's either all or none. "
To Two Fifty eight pm wrote on May 23, 2008 3:45 PM:
" Your arguement would have merit IF the teacher had not agreed to grade the picture and give the student credit for it IF he took it home and it was not posted with the other projects. Because the teacher did indeed agree to give the student credit if he took it home, that tells me it was an attempt solely to prevent him from expressing his religious views, which is wrong. Anyway, the policy was changed, which is the important thing in all this. "
wrote on May 23, 2008 2:58 PM:
" by making a mountain out of a mole hill....still see no floating verses in the sky. White lies are lies too, I seen the news, read all the articles and my personal opinion is that this "group" lied. Whether it was the way the attorney's presented it to the news or whatever showing examples obviously from OTHER assignments (seen them too on your attorney's website)....(just a little white lie to inflame other Christian's over this). The assignment was still for a landscape,no floating verses, sorry, I do not get it. Had the assignment been to draw whatever you wanted, then it was appropriate, now kids can draw what they want and not have to follow directions basically. Had I not known the full story and just AP's side, I would have been cheering for him, end of story. "
to to to four... wrote on May 23, 2008 11:50 AM:
" Blinded by delusions?! How so? "
To three fourty six pm wrote on May 23, 2008 10:02 AM:
" How does it go a little far? This student was prevented from expressing his religious beliefs. He did what he had to do to change that. Now, students are free to express their religious beliefs, which is how it should have been all along. Case closed. "
To My Problem wrote on May 22, 2008 4:57 PM:
" There is no Biblical support for this sects beliefs. There is Biblical support for the beliefs of the "normal" Christians, as you call them. "
to To four fourty four pm poster wrote on May 22, 2008 3:46 PM:
" you wouldn't understand obviously as you are blinded by delusions. Mouthing off to a teacher, not following directions on an assignment are totally different, but since you support those idea's just to express religion in a public school, there is no point. Granted, majority of American's are of Christian faith but you have to admit it goes a little far sometimes. The other's are also free to express their views, just like on here. People voice their views and opinion's. No one is right and no one is wrong, freedom of speech, that's the point. "
To four fourty four pm poster wrote on May 22, 2008 12:59 PM:
" Yes, now no student is prohibited from expressing his or her religious beliefs, which is how it should be. What's your point? "
To Bob wrote on May 22, 2008 12:56 PM:
" Christianity would not fall under that definition. "Generally considered to be extremist or false". Most educated people in this country are Christians. Hence, Christianity is not generally considered extremist or false. Sorry. "
Re Chris King from GJD wrote on May 22, 2008 12:40 PM:
" Yes, you are unbelievable. You do more damage to the faith you claim then any atheist ever could. "
My problem wrote on May 22, 2008 12:16 PM:
" All the same people who were upset at the oppression of their religion are outraged at the actions of this other "religion."
Now, I am of the opinion that the folks in Necedah are whackjobs, but with all the people who have said that the would "fight for the rights of all religions" over on the christian art articles, you'd think there'd be more support for whatever these people choose to believe. But, obviously since 75% of people in this country practice some type of "normal" christianity, these people who practice their brand of "abnormal" christianity can be subject to whatever rules you want. I mean, come on, there were only 8 people in this "church" in Necedah, so they must be crazy. I bet people were saying the same thing about the 13 members at the beginning of christianity. At least "normal" christians turned out to be right, right? "
Chris King wrote on May 22, 2008 10:37 AM:
" Wow...unbelievable! "
Agree with Bob wrote on May 22, 2008 10:12 AM:
" Wow, amen bro.... I feel the same way about organized religion, do you think that is why more people are becoming upset with religion? How many people have been told they haven't donated enough to count, like getting married in a certain church or other "rules" they have. Seems with all their tax breaks they would be kinder to folks in times of need and not turning them away become of "lack of money"....or because their job requires them to be limited the times they can attend on Sundays. I know, I have been there, thus, I don't participate in any organized religion. Yet they spend $$$ going to foreign countries?? What about people right here in our own back yards??? Let's start with them. "
Bob wrote on May 22, 2008 1:19 AM:
" DEFINITION: CULT
1. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
2. The followers of such a religion or sect.
A system or community of religious worship and ritual.
3. The formal means of expressing religious reverence; religious ceremony and ritual.
A usually nonscientific method or regimen claimed by its originator to have exclusive or exceptional power in curing a particular disease.
4. Obsessive, especially faddish, devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing.
The object of such devotion.
An exclusive group of persons sharing an esoteric, usually artistic or intellectual interest.
--Therefore any religion is considered a cult given the right dfinition. -- NUFF SAID -- "
Bob wrote on May 22, 2008 1:09 AM:
" This just comes to show how these "religious leaders" are only out for power over the people and MONEY!!! ORGANIZED RELIGION IS EVIL IN THE GUISE OF HOPE FOR THE WEAK MIND.
Believe what you want to believe, don't break the law and make sure you pay your taxes. If you believe in something you dont need a place to go to worship as long as its in your heart and your home and for the sake of us all dont give your money to churches just for them to TELL you what to believe. "
To Re Fanaticism wrote on May 21, 2008 4:44 PM:
" Where is the connection?? We have no religious policy in the school now because it was "unjust", expect now the school and students can make ANY religion symbols in their artwork as the "Christian's" wanted it that way. Well, just expect more bizarre behavior as that is what you were really doing. If you can't see that then, well no one has an answer for you. This will not be going away in the near future. What Christian's need to avoid is the "cult" like activities that are getting them into trouble all the time. Finally, after how many years of the government and taxpayer's supporting these "religious cults" and false prophets before we have had enough??? I think it is down the turn pike as they bust up these cults for all the laws they are breaking and I for one am glad to see this stuff end. Hopefully this will disband this small cult (from the story) and people will open their eyes and be more aware of false prophets. "
Re fanatacism wrote on May 21, 2008 4:33 PM:
" Do you mean the folks connected to Chris King and the local groups of zealots? "
Re Fanaticism wrote on May 21, 2008 3:54 PM:
" Unless someone can provide a specific example, it appears the poster was showing his ignorance by asserting that including religious symbolism in an art project is akin to cult-like zealotry. "
To Ref Fanaticism wrote on May 21, 2008 1:10 PM:
" If you were to read the post by Fanatacism (which, by the way is correctly spelled fanaticism) you would see that the writer referred to the cult-like atmosphere. The writer said nothing about a cult. Also, that person is correct in that there is a lot of fundamentalist Christian zealotry in Tomah--almost bordering on cult-like. Tomah is the poster child for Barack Obama's comments about small-town clinging to religion and guns. "
Ref Fanatacism wrote on May 21, 2008 5:34 AM:
" What are you talking about..."cult...has developed in Tomah too" I've lived in Tomah for approx 20 years and because of my job I am very close to the things that go on and the things that are wrote about on these blogs. Not to say that we dont have our share of crime but a cult in Tomah? Right...why dont you stick with the Sparta paper and stop writing about nonsense in ours. "
disgusted wrote on May 20, 2008 9:21 PM:
" This is so horrible. I have nothing against people and their right to religion, however how can anyone practice any religion let alone a cult by praying and hoping that the woman come back alive? I believe in god and do pray from time to time. How come noone else noticed that this poor 90 yr old lady was deceased for two months, The bad odor not to mention what effect that must have left on those poor children. "
Fanatacism wrote on May 20, 2008 6:53 AM:
" We should all be evruy concerned about the religious fanatcism in this area. This bizzare incident is just part of an over all cult- like atmosphere that has developed in Tomah too. "
Yuck wrote on May 20, 2008 6:45 AM:
" Poor emergency personnel that had to remove that mess. Hope this religious cult has to pay the government back for the money they used the 2 months this poor woman "sat" dead in her bathroom. Her family must be devastated by this, not getting a proper burial and all because a self proclaiming christian had a vision she would rise from the dead. At least the officer had enough sense to question and enter the home to get to the real story, but how devastating that must be for that officer. This would be one of those incidents that would be in your mind a long time. "
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