re To the editors wrote on May 10, 2008 6:18 AM:
" That's a joke....where is there any threat....I guess they would not have posted it if they thought it was "threatening". Now what the christian radicals want to cry because you don't like the comments?? Again, how childish of you people!!
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Reto the editors wrote on May 9, 2008 12:34 PM:
" Now that is funny. "
To the editors wrote on May 8, 2008 4:19 PM:
" I hope you note the IP address of the 1:55pm(same as 1:54pm)poster. That sounds very much like a threat. "
Concerned Citizen wrote on May 8, 2008 4:16 PM:
" The policy that the school was enforcing was unconstitutional. That policy has now been changed. The teacher was bullying the student by attempting to enforce an unconstitutional policy. Luckily, the student had the guts to stand up for his rights. What more needs to be said? "
RE Concerned Citizen wrote on May 8, 2008 3:33 PM:
" The teachers bullied the student? By enforcing the rules? Now you're just being silly. From the way it looks to me, the art teachers are the only people involved in this whole mess that have any sense.
I remember back when I was in school. I too was bullied by the teachers all the time. They made me come to school, be in class on time, do homework, made me limit my speech when all I was trying to do was express myself. I can't believe how hard I had it. I should have sued.
And maybe you haven't noticed, but the government makes decisions that limit a person's "religious expression" all the time, it just so happens that this time it was your belief that was the target. I hope you stand and and scream as loudly when a Muslim, Buddhist, or any other religious belief is excluded. If not, maybe you could just get a big sign that says "HYPOCRIT" and wear it around your neck. "
scary wrote on May 8, 2008 2:39 PM:
" I thought christians were supposed to be forgiving-instead all i hear and read are the most intolerant narrow minded viewpoints imaginable.These teachers do not deserve to have their names dragged threw the mud,they were just doing their best in a impossible job.
Legal action because of this incident reeks of grandstanding and attention craving...!Would you people be so up in arms if the artwork was Wiccan,Islamic or heaven forbid satanic in nature?Of course not..dont like my opinions- forgive me! "
Re concened citizen wrote on May 8, 2008 1:55 PM:
" It is hardly the "end of the story". Revenge is a dish best served cold "
reconcerned citizen wrote on May 8, 2008 1:54 PM:
" Exactly how was this poor child bullied other than in your imagination. "
Concerned Citizen wrote on May 8, 2008 1:02 PM:
" Re 9:57am post. if you bully the kids who you are entrusted to teach and violate their rights, shouldn't your name be dragged through the mud? Right-wing, left-wing, whatever. It doesn't matter. The students rights were violated and the problem was corrected. End of story. "
rereTo a concerened christian. wrote on May 8, 2008 9:57 AM:
" No one was remotely traumatized except for two dedicated teachers who had their names drug through the right wing mud. Where is your christian compassion for them? "
To Re A Christian wrote on May 8, 2008 9:25 AM:
" 11:11am. I am sure the art will be judged on a case by case basis, just as this one was. Remember, in order to sue, you must have standing. LN concerned parent, notice how your responder couldn't refute what you wrote? Good points. "
reLn concerened parent wrote on May 7, 2008 7:53 PM:
" What a truly ridiculous post. "
LN concerned parent wrote on May 7, 2008 12:14 PM:
" I am very proud of A.P. for courage to stand up for his beliefs. I grew up in and attended the Tomah School district and now have children attending school in this district . I hope that in the future, my children will be allowed to express themselves without being traumatized by all of these so called "policies". It is just to bad that more people arent as willing to stand up for what is right, I believe because of this, we will continue to see school systems go down hill.i.e., elliminating of the pledge of allegiance because of the use of the "word" God. Where will it stop? "
RE bowhunter wrote on May 7, 2008 11:59 AM:
" According to this article, the teacher was willing to grade the paper as long as A.P. took it home (which tells me he did the assignment correctly) since he refused she gave him a "zero". The dentention was because he ripped up the policy - and that was deserved. I don't blame the teacher as she was expected the follow the misguided policy of the school district. And yes, this must have been misguided, or they would not have changed it. "
To Bowhunter wrote on May 7, 2008 11:23 AM:
" Her instructions were for him to allow her and the school to violate his First Amendment rights. The Court obviously agreed this was wrong. "
Another sign of intolerance wrote on May 7, 2008 11:20 AM:
" A couple of my submitted posts critical of the teacher(within guidelines of this forum) were not posted. That shows intolerance for ceratin points of view. "
re a christian wrote on May 7, 2008 11:15 AM:
" God is not offensive just the selfrighteous "christians" who post on here "
re a christian wrote on May 7, 2008 11:11 AM:
" Your truth nit the truth.The door is now wide open for all religous art to be created regardless of the assignmenet.Expect some of it to offend you and it better get put up with the Jesus art or I will sue. "
A Christian wrote on May 7, 2008 7:48 AM:
" Hooray for the student!!!! I'm getting so tired of "tolerance" for everyone and thing from sexual orientation to evolution even to the islamic religion and nobody has to be "tolerant" of the truth of Jesus Christ. What harm is there in having a cross and a Bible reference on a picture? Some one might get offended? So what. I am offended that this young man had to go to court to fight for his freedom. Why is the truth so offensive? Why is God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit so offensive? Shirts and bumper stickers with filthy words on them - now THAT'S offensive! "
Re Observer wrote on May 7, 2008 7:11 AM:
" Complaints or no complaints, still no floating verses in any landscape I've seen. He was there to learn to do art, yes art is an expression and he can do all the religious floating bible verse landscapes he wants, at home or to sell to his followers. This could have all been avoided had he met Ms. Millin half way by removing the floating verse or covering it up, of which he chose to "sue" over it instead. Not to mention being disrespectful to the teacher, getting a large organization to back him up knowing full well the school system could not afford this type of financial burden. All I've observed is down right dishonesty by these so called "Christian's".
Thus, if someone is offended by his Christian point of view, well, all the other religion's in Tomah can express their views too. Actually they may as well throw out the whole policy cuz hey if someone worships dracula we couldn't descriminate against vampires attacking people as that would be considered a religion to that person....thus the blood and violence would have to be acceptable, now that we have a policy that doesn't include religion. Remember, freedom FOR religion is freedom FOR all religion, not JUST the Christian's view point. It is not the public's schools job to enforce only Christianity, that is what private schools are for. So, be prepared to open up your minds even more, as YOU can not discriminate since YOU got the policy changed. "
Well we knew this was going to happen wrote on May 6, 2008 11:38 PM:
" You people can spin this all you want but the truth is NO WAY WOULD THE TOMAH SCHOOL BOARD CAVE IN IF THEY WERE RIGHT....The fact that the closer this came to court Tomah Schools was going to be in some serious, SERIOUS PROBLEMS became evident to there attorneys and they were told to settle, NOW and clean up there act....
To think or argue anything else is just laughable, no matter who comes out and spins this now the facts are they were breaking the law.....
If you complainers knew anything about court you could see completely threw the Dog and pony show they are trying to pull on everyone.
Fasbender was spinning so much on Hagens channel the other night I thought he was going to fly right out in space...
the ANTI-CHRISTIANS are going to spew lies and say that didn't happen that way or this didn't happen this way. But come on you look foolish when trying to argue what happened, When the result proves The School was wrong all along "
bowhunter wrote on May 6, 2008 9:42 PM:
" the teacher did give him a zero for not following the instructions, not for the cross. also, he was not disciplined for the artwork, but for ripping up the classroom policy. "
questions left unanswered wrote on May 6, 2008 5:36 PM:
" So did A.P. get an actual grade for the assignment? Did he get the detentions off his record?
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Reobserver wrote on May 6, 2008 2:41 PM:
" Would it be tolerant of her to allow satanic sayings on landscape pictures as well? "
observer wrote on May 6, 2008 1:52 PM:
" If the assignment was to create a landscape and the teacher felt that he did not do this she should have given him an zero for "not following instructions". But what she did was give him a zero because "the landscape included religous symbols" and that's where she/the policy crossed the line. I don't think she ever indicated that this was not a landscape. If this teacher really did receive complaints from other students, she missed a great opportunity to teach those other students tolerance. "
reTwo cents wrote on May 6, 2008 11:31 AM:
" They have done NO SUCH THING.What they tried to do was teach art. The response to their policy ha done more harm to christianity then they ever could have. Your post is further evidence of just that. "
Two Cents wrote on May 6, 2008 10:40 AM:
" So two art teachers, on their own initiative, have adopted and enforced anti-christian and unconstitutitional persecution for eleven years and no one said anything?
Taking away personal rights in order to protect the citizens from themselves, isn't that how Hitler started? "
ReWilliam wrote on May 6, 2008 8:11 AM:
" This is an art technigue class. It is not where they create their deep felt masterpiece. It is where they learn what a landscape painting is and how to duplicate one. Try not to make a mountain out of a mole hill "
Camille wrote on May 5, 2008 8:32 PM:
" What a sad message to send this child. Media attention and a "win"?? He didn't follow the instruction the teacher gave him. If the instructions were to draw a still life and he drew farm animals, would we have this hoopla? Those who fought for his right to disobey authority did him no favor. Does he cruise through stop signs or throw his trash out the window? No rules/no discipline.
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Fred. wrote on May 5, 2008 5:19 PM:
" If it was a picture of mohamed would we have had this talk. "
William Merritt wrote on May 5, 2008 12:48 PM:
" Art, if anything, is about a person's most intimate beliefs and expressing those beliefs (whatever they may be) through a selected medium.
I am so glad that this student was protected by the Constitution and saved from such short-sighted school "policy". "
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