To wakeup wrote on May 13, 2008 9:14 PM:
" To balance once mind, body and spirit is a very difficult thing to do, getting info on God's word for guidance to balance our life is a great way to balance our life, most of the times the greatest solution for our daily challenge in life lies on a holy book.
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To: Wakeup wrote on Feb 7, 2008 11:51 AM:
" A young man kills himself in the Monroe County Jail, and even an amatuer psychologist knows that he has mental health issues. Healthy people simply do not kill themselves--because they know things can get better. Is this really the way your God intended to bring the dead man back to him, by letting him kill himself? What a mean, hateful, vindictive diety it must be, and see what damage has been done. "
To Wakeup! wrote on Feb 1, 2008 12:35 AM:
" I was going to ask where it is that you are employed, but you answered it for me. I would hate to think that i was going somewhere for help with my illness only to be confronted by you!!! No need for me to go into my medical history with someone such as yourself, except to say that it can happen to ANYBODY... no matter who you are or what your situation may be. I have been under a physicians care for a long time, but there has also been many , many times that i havent been able to go to appointments or get my meds because of insurance difficulties. And that can be a major setback for someone with a mental illness.Everyone deserves to get proper medical care. Mental illness is a disease, not something that we can will to go away. Because if that were reality, none of us would be having this discussion.. One more thing for you... Are you sure you're not a scientologist??? Sorry, but some of the things you have said really make me wonder..... "
Wakeup! wrote on Jan 31, 2008 9:50 AM:
" By the way, it is SANDRIDGE, and it is run by the DHFS not the DOC. Also, I do not work there! Besides, do you really think that my views would be welcome in that type of facility. My philosophy is accountability for one's actions. I am quite sure that Sandridge attempts to rehabilitate the individual based on cognitive reconditioning and behavior modification, along with supposed coping mechanisms, and they would have nothing to do with anything based on God's saving grace through Jesus Christ. Although, they may invoke a quite generic, ineffective "higher power" for the sake of the individuals "spiritual well being." "
Wakeup! wrote on Jan 31, 2008 9:42 AM:
" Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves:
Rom 1:25 for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due.
Rom 1:28 And even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting;
Rom 1:29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 backbiters, hateful to God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 who, knowing the ordinance of God, that they that practise such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but also consent with them that practise them.
PS...What a threatening tone in the previous post. Why so hostile? You appear to be threatened by the truth! You don't recognize the fact that Christianity is the only faith that is enhanced by one's intellect. Don't be so proud. I am confident that I can provide tit for tat reasoning for my beliefs as well as you could for yours. So, yes it is futile to have this argument, particularly in this venue, but please, don't be so arrogant! "
Do worry about "Wakeup" wrote on Jan 31, 2008 7:53 AM:
" The individual probably employed at the Sandhill Rehabilitation Facility, which is brought to you by WI Dept of Corrections. That should explain his cynicism. It should also explain the lack of empirical concrete knowledge in his analysis. What next??? He is going to bring up phrenology. Using the religion to explain medical/psychological phenomenon his ill-advised and quite frankly, the sign of a maladaptive, with very little educational credentials individual. The mere fact of stating the lord atavist is absurd. WakeUP!!! Don't bother wasting anymore of my time, do not respond to this. I will be the first to tell you, that you do not have enough cognitive ammunition to confront me. "
To: wakeup wrote on Jan 30, 2008 5:50 PM:
" Oh please, humans make up gods, they have for thousands of years, from every culture, and each one is different, the one thing they all have in common is that humans are afraid of death. Hence the need for false re-assurance they are going to a "better place" when they die. Depending on if you are naughty or nice.
And to -Disagree-: I agree with you completely!! Well said! "
Disagree wrote on Jan 30, 2008 11:46 AM:
" It is unfortunate that the posts on this subject are centered on spiritual beliefs or disbeliefs. The subject of mental health parity is getting lost in all of this. It is truly time that mental health parity laws get passed. Again, prayer will not accomplish that. Please seek out your lawmakers to do the right thing. "
Wakeup! wrote on Jan 30, 2008 10:59 AM:
" The thing proud fools fail to realize is that everything you do or don't have, everything you experience, everything is a result of God's providence in all things! I am glad that you are content with most things in your life. However, beware of false confidence in yourself. Recognize that God does not promise a comfortable, problem free life. Faith in Jesus Christ promises everlasting life with the Father, not wealth and prosperity. In fact, many Christians in the world suffer unbelievably horrible lives, often for their faith. They are able to endure because they recognize the great rewards they will receive when God calls them to their true home. I urge you to consider what will happen to your soul, because what good will it do for you to have the world at your feet, if your soul is lost? Don't be deceived! "
To: Wakeup wrote on Jan 29, 2008 4:24 PM:
" I'm perfectly at peace, except for some money issues, but i'm not depressed about it, if I pray will it start raining money? or will I win the lotery?? I've done just fine in life without gods help. "
Wakeup! wrote on Jan 29, 2008 3:17 PM:
" I am very sorry that your child has been diagnosed with a severe mental illness, and I am sorry that your insurance ran out after only 3 days! Please understand that I am well aware that there are exceptions to every rule, and the idea that mental illness affects children is difficult. I never said that mental illness does not occur randomly, but in my significant experience it is the exception rather than the rule. I don't know your situation, and I believe you when you say that you child's illness is not the result of poor choices, but I do understand that not knowing the reason probably makes it that much more difficult for you and your child. However, I pray that you continue to pray for your child and never, ever lose your faith. God can heal your child, and don't dare place your faith in the hands of the doctor's and medications. God can guide the hands of those that heal for a living, but faith placed in doctors' hands is mis-placed faith. You said that you are a believer. Hold on to that faith with all your might, and yes God can and does make miracles happen. Don't lose faith. Don't lose hope! I will pray for you and your child. Remember the one commandment that we are to hold above all others...Love the Lord with all of your heart, mind, soul and strength. By the way, I don't know how old your child is, but I would suspect that being diagnosed with a MI he or she may be old enough to make the decision for Jesus Christ. Pray for his or her salvation if it is in question at all, and do all that you can to make sure that he or she knows and truly understands the Gospel of Christ! "
Disagree with Wakeup! wrote on Jan 29, 2008 12:29 PM:
" I am a mother with a child affected by mental illness. While WakeUp (unfortunately) may be involved with care or counseling for people with mental illness, unless you live it, you have no idea what it is like. Addiction is NOT mental illness. Poor choices in life do NOT cause mental illness. It is the mental illness that caused these individuals to have poor judgment, not the other way around. Addiction in and of itself runs rampant. Not all addicts are mentally ill and not all mentally ill are addicts. Addition may be a consequence of mental illness while people try to self-medicate to control their illness. This is all the more reason for mental health parity. Health care for mental illness should be as widely available as it is for physical illness. It is devastating to have your child diagnosed with a severe mental illness, have to hospitalize that child with the hope of beginning the long road towards treatment, only to have the hospital discharge them after only 3 days because your $7,000 annual benefits are depleted. Where do you go? What do you do? How do you begin to put your life back together? I am also a Christian, but no amount of prayer is going to change the diagnosis and prayer will not bring your happy child back. It takes months or years of therapy and medication trials until you find the right one. "
Wakeup! wrote on Jan 28, 2008 8:27 AM:
" Pro 1:7 The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of knowledge; But the foolish despise wisdom and instruction.
Pro 1:28 Then will they call upon me, but I will not answer; They will seek me diligently, but they shall not find me:
Pro 1:29 For that they hated knowledge, And did not choose the fear of Jehovah:
Pro 1:30 They would none of my counsel; They despised all my reproof.
Pro 1:31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, And be filled with their own devices.
Pro 1:32 For the backsliding of the simple shall slay them, And the careless ease of fools shall destroy them.
Pro 1:33 But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell securely, And shall be quiet without fear of evil.
Again, don't mis-characterize what I am saying. I never said that God gives people mental illness. Don't be so simple minded! However, despair, loss of hope, and depression (the most commonly diagnosed MI) more often than not are the fruits of disobedience to His will! Again, I repeat, no one can truly be at peace in this world, while ignoring God's will! I will pray for you, that you will believe the "gospel mumbo jumbo." Furthermore, I will pray that Jesus Christ will remove the bitterness from you heart, so that you will not deny the saving power of His word! "
To Wakeup wrote on Jan 26, 2008 1:42 PM:
" Just my opinion...I think ur full of it..all this gospel mumbo jumbo, give me a break!! I find it quite ammusing. I'm not a "believer" and I don't have god trying to "call me back to him" by giving me a mental illness. And then again, I know many people who are highly spiritual, and have some sort of a mental illness such as depression. I'm in no way against any sort of religion, Im very open minded, but I've read some of your other posts on here, and its funny how everything is yourway or its wrong or against god, and it sounds to me that you are the one with a mental illness, and I'm sorry to say there is no cure for stupidity.
Anyway, back to the story here, yeah I think it would be great if insurance covered mental health issues, its about time. "
To: Wakeup wrote on Jan 25, 2008 5:06 PM:
" You wouldn't be a member of the Church of Scientology would you? Sounds like some(thing) one of them would say. Atheism - Isn't reality awesome! "
Wakeup! wrote on Jan 25, 2008 4:38 PM:
" When you start to work with people with mental illness and you have seen it be "damaging" to people with mental illness, then you may be qualified to tell me I'm wrong. The fact is that accountability for one's problems enables that person to have some authority in changing their life for the better, the other half is faith in the One, True God! Sir, it is obvious to me that you know nothing of mental illness and nothing of Christianity and God's ways of bringing people into a loving relationship with Him! The fact is that much of the ideas I have put forth are basic tenants of biblical counseling. Now, don't misunderstand what I am saying. There is real mental illness, such as schizophrenia. However, most individuals diagnosed with a mental illness are not necessarily ill, rather their life is not being lived the way God intended. Do you honestly believe that psychiatry is an exact science? You could have seven different psychiatrist examine the same individual, and you could easily get seven different diagnosis. The fact is that a psychiatrist's diagnosis of mental illness is tainted by their own bias, due to that particular psychiatrist's world view. Even psychiatrists themselves will speak of the problems inherent in determining behavior that is "abnormal." I'm not saying that compassion is not required in dealing with these issues. However, my idea of compassion is telling someone the unabashed truth, even if initially they do not want to hear it! The truth is the truth is the truth, and anyone that disagrees with that is misguided and probably too liberal in their ideology! "
To: Wakeup! wrote on Jan 25, 2008 3:40 PM:
" Boy, if I had a mental illness, I certainly wouldn't seek treatment from you. For someone who allegedly works in the mental health field, you don't know much about mental illness. It is NOT "God's way of calling us back to him." That is not only wrong, but it's also damaging to people seeking treatment. You should be ashamed. If you're a licensed mental health professional, you should have your license confiscated. SHAME ON YOU!! "
Wakeup! wrote on Jan 25, 2008 8:59 AM:
" Let's not forget that a person becomes addicted to any particular substance as a result of their own poor decisions. Yes, addiction may be a disease, but it is an entirely preventable disease. If they did not use the particular substance in the first place, the disease would not manifest itself. As for depression, primarily that issue is simply related to the individuals situation. Improve the situation and the depression will alleviate itself. In fact, many people believe that depression is God's way of calling you back to Him. Reminding you that you are not living your life according to His will! When I feel depressed or begin to lose hope, when I am able to recognize it as spiritual conviction by the Holy Spirit, I know it is God's way of causing me to examine my life, my choices, and my behavior. When someone recognizes this fact, they can begin to view their despair as a life line God is throwing to them to bring them into a life of fellowship with Him. Above all, remember that we were put on this planet to fellowship with Him, and when we fail to recognize that and when we allow ourselves to be deceived that we are here for our own gain, we can never be truly at peace with ourselves! Finally, the issue of mental illness is really a question of which came first, the mental illness itself or the poor choices in life. I personally have worked with individuals with mental illness for nearly 10 years now, and seldom is it that I work with someone that didn't get into that position by poor choices, whether it be drug induced psychosis or clinical depression. The idea that the chemical imbalances that cause mental illness are random occurrences is more the exception than the rule! More often than not, the mental illness is the result of poor decisions and behavior. I am aware that the things I am saying are quite controversial, and anything but politically correct. However, please be aware that I am employed in a field that provides services for people with mental illness, and it is the ability to be real about this situation that allows me to truly help those I support. It is all about recognizing our flaws and accepting the fact that we are responsible for our actions. "